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  • #32662
    VBJ
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    I’ve started “buying income” by investing in dividend paying stocks. Basically, you buy stocks with good dividend payouts, sit back, and get paid. It is probably the purest form of passive income — as long as you hold they stocks you will get payments … just so the company doesn’t go under or decide to stop paying dividends. The best part here is that at the end of the day you still maintain your equity in the stocks on top of all the dividend payouts, so if you ever wanted to cash out you can.

    If I can get my portfolio up to paying 30 grand per year in dividends, then I will be getting enough money to travel the world perpetually. Although this will probably take at least a $300,000 investment.

    That said, this is a long-term financial strategy. Passive income, in general, is a long-term endeavor that usually has low payouts in the early years. It’s not meant to be something to actively depend on right away, but something to fall back on if needed or to eventually build up so that you can live off of it.

    This is a simple explanation of how this works:

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    #32739
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    I started testing out this strategy. I’m up to $576 of annual “bought income.” It’s kind of addictive. Each morning I get on and buy a few well-selected dividend paying stocks. Each time I go out to eat or get a beer at a bar I think, “Man, I could have bought a stock with what I paid for that which would pay me a little cash quarterly for years.” It’s kind of like building a mountain out of handfuls of dirt.

    #32785
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    Johnson’s course came out last night and I watched it this morning. It’s basically a pretty standard stock investment strategy that’s spun and branded in a new way to attract the attention and educate people who are new to this type of investment. However, this doesn’t mean that it wasn’t well worth the $35 that I spent for it. For $35 I got to listen to a guy who actually makes money teach me, step by step, how he does it. Sometimes you pay a little money for things like this just to have the content curated. If I were to browse around on the internet, sure, I could have probably gathered all of the information, but being able to identify the essential aspects would have been more challenging and, ultimately, less productive. It was well worth the money spent.

    While this may seem a little irrelevant, what I found (almost) most valuable about it was how he took an extremely normal, extremely boring form of investment and made it sexy. Motivation and inspiration can go a long way. What Johnson did is say, “Hey, with these dividends give me the freedom to do whatever I want.” This is ultimately the prime financial objective of the traveler: use money to buy freedom. While all forms of income can ultimately do this, when it’s passive the degree of liberty is more complete, as you no longer need to work to continue collecting indefinitely. While some travelers work then play, work then play, a far better strategy is to work for a while and then only work again whenever you choose to doing something you want to do — financial pressures shouldn’t be a reason to work.

    Here were some of his main points:

    “Take active money, the money we work for, and turn it into passive money and get paid forever.”

    “Retirement is not an age, it’s a mathematical formula.”

    “Once you have more passive income than money you spend per month, going to work is now a choice.”

    “You want your money producing the money.”

    “One day you’re not going to get a paycheck.”

    “Dividends are the purest form of passive income out there. You do absolutely nothing.”

    “This isn’t a get rich quick program, this is a get rich for sure program.”

    “All of your bills are someone’s passive income.”

    “People get up and go to work to make other people richer.”

    “Get money, buy income.”

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    #32788
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    I began “buying income” last week and I’ve made my way up to $1,396.22 in estimated dividend payments per year.

    When we consider that I only made $37,267 last year (which was actually my best year yet) then the returns on this investment are relatively significant. I essentially just gave myself a 3.7% annual raise.

    The money that you should be using for this is money that you’d ordinarily keep in a savings account. This isn’t really for money that you need to buy things that you need day to day. If you keep that money in a bank you will get like … almost nothing in interest payments. But if you buy the right dividend paying stocks you can make between 8-12% off your investment each year, and if you reinvest those payments the interest compounds indefinitely.

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    #32801
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    I’m a traveler. I can live well on $20 a day in most of the world. $1,396.22 is two months of travel for me. I never before realized that I could make this amount of money each year doing nothing … and each workday I will add a little more and a little more to it. My goal by the end of the year is to build this up to $2,000 … and by the end of next year $5,000. Then I’ll be playing for real.

    Imagine getting paid $5,000 per year for doing nothing?

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    #32822
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    Dividend income 2
    I bought an additional $86.50 of yearly income this morning. I’m now up to $1,482.72 on the year. I’m going to try to get this up to $2,000 before the year is out. I’m reinvesting the dividends on most of my positions.

    I have one that I’m planning on selling once the price rises but the rest I’m in on for the long haul, as that’s how the money is made: sitting back and watching the investment compound upon itself. I’m not yet to a point where taking the money out would be that beneficial. It would be better to wait until the mole hill becomes a mountain that I can fully live and travel off of.

    Right now, with the pandemic adversely impacting certain industries, a lot of good dividend paying stocks are on sale. I have three in energy, three in real estate, one in agriculture, one financial, and another in telecommunications. I imagine the value of many of these stocks will shoot up after the pandemic fades away, but that’s not really the game here: the value of any given position on any given day isn’t really that pertinent. I’m not looking to sell. I buy when the prices are low and hold, hold, hold.

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    #32876
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    The best part about going for dividends is that you don’t really have to care to much about fluctuating stock prices — within reason. Yesterday, my portfolio was down big time. This morning, it’s booming. However, I only have two positions that I’m planning on getting out of when the price is right; for the rest, I’m in it for the long haul, so a screen full of red numbers is no reason for panic. If I wasn’t making small acquisitions daily I wouldn’t have to even check my positions. This is a low intensity form of investing — it’s basically a savings account that pays out 10 to 12% each year and compounds that interest.

    And anyway, you don’t really ever make or loose anything on a stock until you sell.

    My main strategy up to hear was to buy up stocks from proven companies that are proven to pay regular dividends whose prices are on sale due to the pandemic.

    #32896
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    At the end of last week I was up to $1,628.96 in annual dividend earnings. We’re getting there.

    Dividend earnings

    #32928
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    Exxon-Mobile (XOM) is currently on sale, trading at $39.46 per share. This is one of the classic dividend paying stocks, with every increasing yearly dividends for decades, and it’s going for $30-$40 under its usual rate. At the price that it’s going for now, it’s dividend yield is 8.24% ($3.48). Which means you get 8.70% of what you pay for it back every year. On top of that, the price of the stock is depressed because of the pandemic and the fact that it was just dropped from the S&P 500 Industrials Index, which doesn’t mean much according to economic fundamentals, but does have an impact on how the value of the stock is perceived.

    If you’re betting that the world is going to get back to some semblance of normal soon then XOM should also shoot up in price. This doesn’t matter too much for the “buying income” strategy, but it does feel a lot better with the numbers in your stock portfolio are green rather than red.

    As for the “buying income” strategy, you can essentially get a good dividend payday at half the price.

    XOM stock price

    #32937
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    Today closes another week of trading. This is what I bought this week:

    XOM, GAIN, ET, LMND, KODK, SHLX, HEP, NYMT, T, PBA, DHT, PBCT, SPR, MAIN

    Some of these stocks I’m aiming to swing trade. Others I’m looking to hold onto for the dividend income.

    My focus has mainly been on usually solid industries that have been hit by the pandemic. I believe the world is fast on the way to recovery and that these stocks are essentially on sale. So I bought up a bunch of energy, tanker, and real estate stocks. I bought some Kodak just because I was in Rochester — nostalgic reasons, perhaps (or because the company operates the largest business park in America and they are eventually going to find something to do something with it).

    The tanker stocks are a bit risky — they got hit hard and they aim to pay super high dividends. I’m not really expecting DHT to pay out a 30% dividend next week. However, they were so undervalued that it was hard not to try them … and if they actually pay those dividends that would be a nice payday. Whatever the case, “buying income” is about putting money into stocks for the mid to long term, and I imagine most of these companies will recover once the world opens up again.

    I crossed a milestone this week. I originally aimed to build up to $2,000 in annual dividend payments by the end of the year, but I crossed this threshold yesterday. I’m now up to $2,285.62 over the course of a year, or $190 per month. This is money that I get paid for doing nothing. I’m now raising my goal to $3,000 by the end of the year.

    #33202
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    DHT paid.

    This stock pays $1.92 per share in dividends annually, divided up into quarterly payments. What’s most intriguing here is that the stock is currently going for $5-$6 per share. This means the dividend yield is in the ballpark of 30+%, meaning that the company is paying out a third of the share price back to investors every year. This is unsustainable, and stocks like this are generally dubbed dividend yield traps, as the company promotes high yields to lure in investors but are then unable to pay them.

    An important thing to note about dividend investing is that companies are not obliged to pay out the dividend rates that they announce. So they can say, “We’re paying X amount” but then pay Y amount or nothing at all. Now, when this happens it’s kind of like the company is shooting themselves in foot as investors will loose trust in them (and a company’s past dividend payouts are readily available) so I don’t believe many will intentionally try this as a strategy, but it does happen in the event of economic downturns, lower than expected earnings, etc.

    So I took a bit of a risk on DHT. However, it was a calculated risk. I looked at their earnings and asked if they had the money available, and it seemed as if they did so I bought a few hundred shares over the past couple of weeks.

    I will probably buy some more this week. However, I’m going to closely monitor the investment. It’s not like investing in Exxon-Mobile, who has been paying an ever-increasing dividend for decades.

    #33310
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    It felt oddly good getting that $116 from $DHT yesterday. This was money that I essentially did nothing for. I took some capital, pushed a few buttons, and moved in from here into there. $116 is an entire day of work for someone getting paid $15/hr. I got paid that money while doing another job that paid $100, while writing a blog post that will make little morsels of cash throughout the years. $116 for doing nothing. Not bad.

    Now if I only started building dividends when I first started traveling 20 years ago …

    What did I do with that $116?

    I immediately reinvested it by buying more dividend paying stocks. I felt it was a good show of faith that $DHT is paying out their ridiculously high dividend, so I used the money that I got from them and bought 20 more shares ($38.40 per year in dividend payouts) and put the rest towards a building a larger position in $XOM.

    Reinvesting dividend payments back into dividend paying stocks is essential to being able to build this portfolio large enough to travel off of. I want dividends to compound on top of dividends.

    However, I don’t engage in these DRIP programs, which automatically reinvest dividend payments into the stocks that pay them. Why? Because not every dividend paying stock is a good buy at all times. I’d much rather take that money and reinvest it where I want to.

    My strategy behind buying dividend stocks is to get them while they are on a downswing in price. When I’m looking to buy income I scan through my dividend paying positions and search for those whose prices are at a lower point (today: $XOM, $SPG, etc) and buy them up. Then when the price rises I will essentially be able to say that I purchased the dividends at a reduced fare.

    The caveat here is that companies do go out business …

    And struggling companies will sometimes reduce or cut their dividends.

    So this has to be done strategically. What I look for first is the dividend aristocrats — the 60 or so S&P companies that have been increasing their dividends annually for at least the past 25 years. Next I look for otherwise solid companies whose prices have descended due to temporary issues that are out of their control. Putting money into stocks when they are at a low point is always a gamble … but this gamble allows me to make 50% – 200%+ more off of my dividend investments.

    Another thing to note is that a company lowering their dividends isn’t always a stop sign. If the decrease in dividend payments is in proportion to the decrease in the stock’s value then I still often find this to be a good deal, as there is a good chance that the stock’s price is going to go back up and the company will again increase it’s dividend.

    For example, in January $SPG was trading in the ballpark of $145 per share and they were paying an $8.40 annual dividend. Today, $SPG is trading for around $68 and the dividend was decreased to $5.20 annually. Sure, that’s $3.20 per year less, but the cost of the stock is more than 50% less, so it’s a proportionate decrease so still a good value. Plus, there’s a reasonable chance that as soon as this pandemic stuff is over the price of the stock — and it’s dividend ($SPG is a REIT and has to pay out 90% of its earnings to shareholders) — are also going to shoot up, and I will be able to enjoy a position on a high dividend paying stock for a discounted price.

    #33320
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    The market seems to be responding to DHT. Up 2.56% 15 minutes after the market opened.

    #33526
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    Today closes another week of trading. I built up dividend positions in XOM, DHT, ET, HEP, FRO, and GAIN. My total estimated annual dividend income is up to $2,709. That’s $226 a month indefinitely … for doing nothing. $2,709 is more than what I pay for one month’s rent. It’s enough cash for two to five months of travel, depending on region. It’s also $422 more than it was at this time last week.

    Slowly, that passive income from dividend payments is building. I’m trying to build it up to $30,000 a year. Then I can have a little more fiscal space as I engage in my media projects.

    #33711
    VBJ
    Keymaster

    I’m now up to $3,055.99 in estimated yearly dividend payouts. Three thousand bucks that I will be paid for essentially doing nothing. That’s $254 per month, $8.37 per day. Dividend payments are perhaps the purest form of passive income.

    This is kind of a benchmark week for me, as my goal with this strategy is to build up $30,000 per year in dividend payments. Once I do this then I’m good to go — retire, never have to take work that’s just for the money, do whatever I want. I want to be able to wake up in the morning and say to myself, “No matter what I do today I’m making a hundred bucks.”

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